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#1 by watermelonygoodness on June 18, 2010 - 6:00 am
@wubbadubdub No. They meaning journalists. I said that. I made it so fucking clear. If you can’t follow a fucking 12-sentence paragraph I really don’t want to waste my time talking to you.
#2 by SexSteakSoda on June 18, 2010 - 6:03 am
@wubbadubdub Government oversight is all i’ve been calling for. I never cared if they completely socialized the healthcare industry. I’m fine with paying a private company because in the end, I get priority. On the other hand, we need to do SOMETHING about the abundance of people without coverage. Its a burden on tax payers and Emergency Rooms all over the country.
#3 by wubbadubdub on June 18, 2010 - 6:04 am
@Fig1024 yes, that’s true about ‘pinched nerves.’ chronic pain is a very tricky thing. it’s not well understood. and that’s partly why there’s often very little, if anything, that can be done for it. sometimes the brain can adapt to chronic pain, other times it can’t. some people are in pain all the time, though doctors have tried everything, even severing parts of the spinal cord. sometimes the pain nerves sort of get a mind of their own and send pain for no discernable reason whatsoever. bad.
#4 by wubbadubdub on June 18, 2010 - 6:08 am
@SexSteakSoda haha, if a doctor fucks you up, the lawyer will work for a cut of the out-of-court settlement. hell, if they wouldn’t do that, you’d almost never hear of a doctor getting sued.
#5 by wubbadubdub on June 18, 2010 - 6:25 am
@SexSteakSoda right, it’s impossible to tell without a physical exam. and a history. but the ct and mri, a decent doctor is not likely to need these to make the diagnosis. they can usually tell what is wrong just based on how the thing happened and what works and doesn’t work during your physical. if it looks really bad or the shoulder hurts too bad to move much at all, then they might need imaging because they need to know the details of the injury or because there is no other way.
#6 by wubbadubdub on June 18, 2010 - 6:30 am
@SexSteakSoda but if you have full range of motion, there are no signs of fracture, bleeding, serious swelling, or nerve damage (this can all be assessed with the naked eye and with your finger tips), they’re pretty safe in assuming you’re ok — you’ll on your own, even if it hurts. just statistically speaking, that’s what probably what happened because that’s what usually happens and their treatment is consistent with that having happened.
#7 by wubbadubdub on June 18, 2010 - 6:43 am
@SexSteakSoda not assuming anything. just trying to show that it’s wrong to assume this lady’s outcome would be better if healthcare was reformed in a highly effective and ethical way. i’m doing that by showing that other assumptions are just as likely, if not more so. it’s important to know if everything was done right and this still happened. it’s important to know who’s to blame or if no one is. we need to know if it’s her craziness or their ruthlessness that caused this in order to help her.
#8 by wubbadubdub on June 18, 2010 - 6:49 am
@SexSteakSoda that’s my problem with this piece. it just doesn’t look to me like they were seeking the truth. they only cover her side and she’s the one who’s saying she really should have shot herself in the bone. journalists don’t do anyone a favor when they put stuff out like this, especially not us who really want things to change for the better. all it takes is for some right-winger to investigate this woman, find out she’s a junkie, and then everyone who cried war is discredited. shit deal
#9 by wubbadubdub on June 18, 2010 - 6:53 am
i’m with you there. uncorrupted government oversight is the tricky part. yeah, we need some sort of awesome non-profit thing to take care of everyone else. sorry to say that’s out of my league. we need to put our best and brightest economists on that. it’s kicking our asses. well anyways, good talk.
#10 by wubbadubdub on June 18, 2010 - 7:03 am
@watermelonygoodness exactly. and they’re completely useless because they did not get this woman’s doctor’s side of the story — or any doctor’s input for that matter — and they based their entire piece on the highly questionable account of this deranged woman who is obviously seeking sympathy and/or attention. this sort of garbage journalism doesn’t do anyone any good. we have no idea what really happened or why based on this story. a decent journalist would verify her account.
#11 by wubbadubdub on June 18, 2010 - 7:21 am
@styrofoamheart oh yeah, i wouldn’t put that passed them for a second.
#12 by wubbadubdub on June 18, 2010 - 7:25 am
@wubbadubdub oh yeah, it’s also critical to make sure you don’t have any conditions that would react badly to the drug and that you’re not on any medications that would interact badly with it. drug interactions kill all the time.
#13 by wubbadubdub on June 18, 2010 - 7:33 am
@bioman123 it always did. the difference is that now it actually works some of the time.
#14 by wubbadubdub on June 18, 2010 - 7:40 am
@groam6666 i agree with you about the united states. we’ve never really been great. i don’t know of any country that really was for any significant period of time, but that’s beside the point. we’ve never been a great country, but we could be.
#15 by wubbadubdub on June 18, 2010 - 7:46 am
@MedievalWerewolf right there with you.
#16 by wubbadubdub on June 18, 2010 - 8:00 am
notice which two drugs they show she is on: vicodin and valium. did anyone else notice that? man, this lady is just a classic drug-seeking drug addict. even wearing the sunglasses. it’s amazing to me that the reporters didn’t verify her statements with anyone before running this. probably didn’t because finding out she’s a known drug-seeker would torpedo the story.
#17 by wubbadubdub on June 18, 2010 - 8:13 am
@SexSteakSoda i’m with you there. uncorrupted government oversight is the tricky part. yeah, we need some sort of awesome non-profit thing to take care of everyone else. sorry to say that’s out of my league. we need to put our best and brightest economists on that. it’s kicking our asses. well anyways, good talk.
#18 by Frostlander on June 18, 2010 - 8:19 am
@wubbadubdub This may be the case, I don’t know I’m not a doctor. The way the story was told made it seem as though she was turned away because of not having health insurance. I mean hearing her say “If it wasn’t life threatening, no insurance, you can’t get no help.” 2:06 , is fairly convincing. I’m not backing her action, that’s just the dumbest way to go about getting help, but if she needs some help she aught to be helped without insurance being in the picture at all.
#19 by wubbadubdub on June 18, 2010 - 8:20 am
here’s what’s likely going on. this woman is a drug addict. they gave her vicodin for the pain (i’m guessing she was already on valium for psych problems). she took it too fast (as addicts do) and went shopping around to several ERs in her area to try to get more. everyone refused her as people who can spot a drug seeker will. she hatched this crazy plan to try to force her doctors to give her more vicodin. that’s why she’s being charged. this report is her way of trying to gain public sympathy
#20 by Frostlander on June 18, 2010 - 8:26 am
@wubbadubdub And to your more rude comment “shut the fuck up. there is no evidence here that she? was mistreated. people are dissatisfied with the best that modern medicine can do for them all the time.” That’s just trolling.
#21 by wubbadubdub on June 18, 2010 - 8:39 am
@Frostlander what’s most likely is that she shot herself in the arm to get more vicodin. addicts frequently finish their vicodin too quickly, then start going into withdrawal. then they start going around to ERs asking for more. nobody will fill your vicodin early anymore, so they all turned her down. she probably freaked and gave this a ‘shot.’ notice how she shot herself superficially and in a very fatty area with a small caliber weapon — good way to make sure no permanent damage was done.
#22 by wubbadubdub on June 18, 2010 - 8:43 am
@osoblanco91 look at the drugs she shows she’s on in the video: vicodin and valium. with sunglasses on and her bullshit explanation for shooting herself, she’s as stereotypical a drug seeker as you get.
#23 by elmirasahar on June 18, 2010 - 8:50 am
@seattle8686 if its not an argument, there is no need to complicate it. and, honestly i agree with ur dad.
#24 by Frostlander on June 18, 2010 - 9:47 am
@wubbadubdub Jeasus man. Who’s paying you to spout that conjecture? If you have some information, or maybe a journalistic report on this woman that explicitly suggests this please share it. Solid evidence not your opinion.
#25 by wubbadubdub on June 18, 2010 - 10:32 am
@Frostlander just wait. it’s going to come out soon enough that she’s playing. her intention for participating in this news ‘report’ was obviously try to drum up public sympathy and support because she knows law enforcement wants to charge her to put an end to her drug-seeking, which has obviously becoming very dangerous. if they had any interest in taking an objective look at this woman’s story, they would have interviewed her doctors. they just wanted her BS story. doesn’t hold any water.